247brett
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Byond Username: 247Brett
Job: Head of Security
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Post by 247brett on May 7, 2015 4:21:06 GMT
This complaint isn't anything absurdly horrid, just a bout of bad roleplay. Roleplay that ruined the fun of another player (Who said he was going to post a complaint, but hasn't yet, so I'm taking the liberty of doing so) by killing them for no reason.
To begin, Ezra was playing as an assistant this round. An assistant who apparently knows how to run all of medbay, including setting of cryo. Enough to even dispute a hired doctor inside his own medbay. The previous CMO was overdosing on spaceacillin, and I was treating him by injecting Dylovene to combat the toxins damage until they left her body.
Ezra got into medbay and insistently stated that I was not healing her right and that she should be put in cryo. After a few minutes of this meta gaming I just gave up and let him do what he wanted to. If it had just been that, however, I would not have posted this thread.
Later, on the escape shuttle, Ezra decided to kill another player. No talking, no reason, just clawed his head off.
It was later revealed that Ezra killed him for attempting to move the stabilized SSD CMO to cryo. We learned this not from BlueDragon, but from JPowell, who was defending Ezra's choice to kill him, while condemning the way I attempted to save the CMO using Dylovene.
Ezra killed a person for following what standard protocol actually is: to leave people in the cryogenic beds. It just happened that NOBODY, the person killed, ended up being a traitor. A fact I believe might have actually factored into his homicide, considering he had a Syndie balloon in his hand when he was decapitated. Seems like more meta-gaming.
If NOBODY sees this complaint, I'm sorry that this was your first experience on the server. It's not usually like this. Please excuse the unwarranted murder coupled by JPow's immature way of dealing with it. Please don't let this keep you from playing on our server any further.
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Post by bluedragon163 on May 7, 2015 9:50:11 GMT
This complaint isn't anything absurdly horrid, just a bout of bad roleplay. Roleplay that ruined the fun of another player (Who said he was going to post a complaint, but hasn't yet, so I'm taking the liberty of doing so) by killing them for no reason. To begin, Ezra was playing as an assistant this round. An assistant who apparently knows how to run all of medbay, including setting of cryo. Enough to even dispute a hired doctor inside his own medbay. The previous CMO was overdosing on spaceacillin, and I was treating him by injecting Dylovene to combat the toxins damage until they left her body. Ezra got into medbay and insistently stated that I was not healing her right and that she should be put in cryo. After a few minutes of this meta gaming I just gave up and let him do what he wanted to. If it had just been that, however, I would not have posted this thread. One not meta-gaming In Ezra's employment records, It states the has some knowledge in most departments outside of security, Including medical. Also Giving someone Dylovene and the toxic damage just sits there at OVER 100% damage not moving IS NOT TREATING THE PATIENT. THAT IS PROLONGING THEIR DEATH. The REAL issue you chose to leave out on your "data" supporting your claim was the 40ish% of liver damage the CMO had but hey You know how to do medical right? Not setting up cryo. Throwing dying people into sleepers that state "INDIVIDUAL REQUIRES CRYO" When they are over 125% damage. Doesn't mean to put them into cryo and it is just a friendly suggestion.Later, on the escape shuttle, Ezra decided to kill another player. No talking, no reason, just clawed his head off. I Did Say things Like HE ATTACKED EZRA AND STOLE THE CMO WHO EZRA WAS TRYING TO SAVE over the Comms but no one listens.
It was later revealed that Ezra killed him for attempting to move the stabilized SSD CMO to cryo. We learned this not from BlueDragon, but from JPowell, who was defending Ezra's choice to kill him, while condemning the way I attempted to save the CMO using Dylovene. I killed him for beating me with a stun baton and KIDNAPPING THE SSD CMO VIOLATING SoP OF EVACUATION WHICH IS AS FOLLOW: Evacuation
All personnel are required to assist with evacuation. All crew must be evacuated, regardless of concious state.
All prisoners are to be brought to the secure area of the escape shuttle, unless doing so would cause unnecessary risk for crew.
Bodies are to be brought back to Central Command for processing.
AI units may be brought to Central Command on portable card devices (Intelicards) if structural failure is likely.
Shortening time to launch shuttle may be authorised if clear threat to life, limb, or shuttle integrity is present.
As stated on the wiki: wiki.baystation12.net/index.php/SOPEzra killed a person for following what standard protocol actually is: to leave people in the cryogenic beds. It just happened that NOBODY, the person killed, ended up being a traitor. A fact I believe might have actually factored into his homicide, considering he had a Syndie balloon in his hand when he was decapitated. Seems like more meta-gaming. He wasn't in a Cryogenic bed, I was Dragging him From medical Via Rollerbed To the Shuttle, Again Because SoP STATES IT IS TO BE DONE.If NOBODY sees this complaint, I'm sorry that this was your first experience on the server. It's not usually like this. Please excuse the unwarranted murder coupled by JPow's immature way of dealing with it. Please don't let this keep you from playing on our server any further. I'd like to state more about this "event" that I'm being accused of wrong for, But due to the fact that NO ONE SEEMS TO LISTEN TO COMMS THEN JUMPS STRAIGHT TO "OH MY GOD GUYS HE'S META GAMING OR BREAKING THE RULES" ETC ETC. Most of the claims you stated are invalid. Like for example you pick and choose the parts of the logs that made both me and JPowell look bad, Not the parts where you never did your job in medical or the parts where the Atmos tech ran around the entire shift in full on voidsuit and a stun baton or him attempting to get Aurora to make him his own personal Beepsky from robotics, Or how he kept getting into areas that Atmos techs don't have. Mr. "nice antag" Made it fairly obvious he was an antag, And last time I checked Rule two of is: Do not kill a player without acceptable IC reasoning.
Examples of acceptable IC reason include:
-Your life will end if nothing is done.
-The life of one of your crewmates will end if nothing is done.
-The player is your objective.
-A player will expose your antag role.
And Assualting the person treating a Dying person makes you by default, You ran off with a dying person thus putting their life at risk and how abouts you stole him from me proved that you were infact attempting to kill the CMO. I mean seriously WHO RUNS UP TO A PERSON IN A VOIDSUIT BEATS THEM WITH A STUN BATON AND STEALS A PERSON WHO IS IN CRITICAL HEALTH AND EXPECTS TO NOT BE CALLED AN ANTAG!
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Renrag
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Post by Renrag on May 7, 2015 12:34:09 GMT
Thank you for clarifying the situation, but do you have to decapitate every person who you find a threat? This isn't the first time you've decapitated someone. You've done it once as a scientist then you flushed his head into space. I know you might say something like it was for protection for you and those around you, but killing someone isn't the best way to go about things. I know you say things on comms, but if you could try harder to simply get someone with proper authority to help take them in rather then killing them. That would be much better in terms of roleplaying, Thank you.
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cebutris
Cebutris
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Job: Chef
Antagonist: Ninja
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Post by cebutris on May 7, 2015 13:20:37 GMT
The flushing the head thing was VERY much uncalled for, however, the decapitation was not... I initiated the combat with the intent to kill the scientist, as I was an changeling that round... (plus he was a dick)
Personally, Ezra seems to look for any excuse to hurt people, attacking and even killing people for speaking Sol Common, I know that he has PTSD from being a slave, but that seems like a VERY high level of special snowflake-ism... When he's not crazy and suicidal, Ezra is a good person, but that is the minority of the time.
Anyways, just my input.
"He called me a whore. I used to like him. I guess Aurora gets all of my love now. His loss."
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247brett
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Post by 247brett on May 7, 2015 18:22:38 GMT
Alright, I was wrong on standard operating procedure. I'll admit that. But it's still not enough reason to kill a person. And, yes, I also did not set up cryo. I assumed that the CMO who was in the shift longer than I was had already set it up. And sorry, but I didn't hear you explain what happened over comms. I was too busy performing surgery on the person you and Aurora dragged into medbay inside of a welded locker. A person you apparently also attacked.
Both of his feet were broken. I usually don't pay attention to comms during surgery. Too busy, you know, saving people's lives instead of taking them.
After fixing the fractures in both of his feet, I sent him to the evac shuttle. I saw the chef SSD in the kitchen, and stopped to take the time to drag him to the shuttle. After I strapped him in, I noticed Axel in a Ripley suit, drilling the remains of the Xenoarcheologist right outside of the shuttle. You then decided to ignore Axel for the rest of the round. (Except for scolding me for dragging Arenim away from the Ripley...)
And then you started attacking Alex for leaving the SSD CMO in cryogenic storage, killing him seconds before the round ended. You say you killed him for disobeying SOP and not bringing him onto the shuttle, yet ignored the SSD chef and said, and I quote, "YOU DESERVE TO BE LEFT BEHIEND" to Walker, the person who you brought to medbay with two broken feet.
You say that your employment records state that you know how to do every job. That is the literal definition of meta-gaming. The only person who should know how to do every job is the captain. You said you killed him because he was an obvious antag, but the traitors didn't do anything all round. Axel asked people to duels, while Alex did nothing. The station IC'ly didn't know there were even Antags, so, yet again, meta. Stun batoning someone isn't enough reason to kill them. Neither is taking a person to cryogenic storage. Those are issues that security should deal with.
I did my job in medbay. If anyone in medbay was incompetent, it was the CMO herself. Before she was overdosed on Spaceacillin, she did multiple things horribly. First, she flushed half of the beakers in chemistry down disposals. Luckily, Axel was in cargo and helped me bring them back to medical. She just sat in the medbay lobby for the whole round, making remarks about killing my cats in different ways, leaving only to follow the HoP around and to bother the chef by having a food fight in the kitchen. I was not the incompetent one.
You say that I'm cherry picking only the worst of what you've done all round, but these were the only times I've seen you all round. Unless, of course, you want me to talk about you moaning over comms? Or about having someone scream in medbay while I was trying to stop the CMO from OD-ing? Obviously I can't save anyone, and I'm just cherry picking the worst of the few times I've seen or heard from you all round.
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Post by RadiantFlash on May 7, 2015 20:43:29 GMT
One not meta-gaming In Ezra's employment records, It states the has some knowledge in most departments outside of security, Including medical. Also Giving someone Dylovene and the toxic damage just sits there at OVER 100% damage not moving IS NOT TREATING THE PATIENT. THAT IS PROLONGING THEIR DEATH. The REAL issue you chose to leave out on your "data" supporting your claim was the 40ish% of liver damage the CMO had but hey You know how to do medical right? Not setting up cryo. Throwing dying people into sleepers that state "INDIVIDUAL REQUIRES CRYO" When they are over 125% damage. Doesn't mean to put them into cryo and it is just a friendly suggestion. I'd like to state more about this "event" that I'm being accused of wrong for, But due to the fact that NO ONE SEEMS TO LISTEN TO COMMS THEN JUMPS STRAIGHT TO "OH MY GOD GUYS HE'S META GAMING OR BREAKING THE RULES" ETC ETC. Most of the claims you stated are invalid. Like for example you pick and choose the parts of the logs that made both me and JPowell look bad, Not the parts where you never did your job in medical or the parts where the Atmos tech ran around the entire shift in full on voidsuit and a stun baton or him attempting to get Aurora to make him his own personal Beepsky from robotics, Or how he kept getting into areas that Atmos techs don't have. Mr. "nice antag" Made it fairly obvious he was an antag, And last time I checked Rule two of is: Do not kill a player without acceptable IC reasoning.
Examples of acceptable IC reason include:
-Your life will end if nothing is done.
-The life of one of your crewmates will end if nothing is done.
-The player is your objective.
-A player will expose your antag role.
And Assualting the person treating a Dying person makes you by default, You ran off with a dying person thus putting their life at risk and how abouts you stole him from me proved that you were infact attempting to kill the CMO. I mean seriously WHO RUNS UP TO A PERSON IN A VOIDSUIT BEATS THEM WITH A STUN BATON AND STEALS A PERSON WHO IS IN CRITICAL HEALTH AND EXPECTS TO NOT BE CALLED AN ANTAG!I only have four comments here. 1a: Setting your employement records to "have knowladge of most departments" Is quite frankly bullshit. You can't possibly have knowladge of almost all departments, thats just plain outright powergaming. Perhaps you meant basic knowladge? And if you do, you wouldn't have had the knowladge how to tell someone to do there job. 1b: Just because the sleeper says use cryo, doesn't mean use cryo. Bloody hell, any decent doctor, knows that you can easily stabilise a person without using cryo. If the person isn't actively getting worse, the innaprovaline from sleepers, and regular treatment, easily negates the use for cryocells.
2a: Being assaulted doesn't excuse outright murder. You are not a vigilante, you have security to arrest people. There was several security boarding, you should have just asked them to do something calmly, instead of shouting at people saying no one listens to you over coms.
3: My only issue with Ezra, is that he acts a bit spastic, and has in the past attacked people in replacement of a proper reaction.
4: Jpowell was out of line bringing the issue to ooc, and biased in dealing with the matter.
Side note: SSD personnel Standard operating proceedure is outdated on the wiki. They are to be left in the cryosleepers if the stations integrity isn't being compromised.
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iteration9
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Byond Username: Iteration 9
Job: AI
Antagonist: Malfunctioning AI
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Post by iteration9 on May 7, 2015 21:28:37 GMT
They established the SSD CMO was in critical condition, meaning he should've been on the shuttle, not the cryo beds.
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