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Post by Doom12384 on Aug 24, 2015 18:03:39 GMT
A bit lengthy, but gets the point across. Scene is me attempting to arrest CE for infiltrating the AI upload.
[Security] Sirius Eesier says, "Ssset him to arressst and open the door." Sirius Eesier says, "Ssset him to arressst and open the door." [Common] W.H.A.L.E queries, "Having fun CE?" You holster Vigilance. You draw Vigilance, pointing it at the ground. [Common] W.H.A.L.E queries, "You know, you basically just trapped yourself in right?" Katsumi Danmen says, "Wow." (Only word said before attempting to kill me, and succeeding. Both CE and Katsumi were Cultists.) You will now take people captive. Sirius Eesier aims Vigilance at Emmanuel Sloan! You refrain from firing your Vigilance as your intent is set to help. Katsumi Danmen whispers something. The rune disappears with a flash of red light, and a set of armor appears on Katsumi Danmen... Sirius Eesier has been slashed in the head with Cult Blade by Katsumi Danmen! Your head hurts badly.
Next Scene. Me attempting to arrest Yahahata for freeing a prisoner who was on trial for attempted murder. Summary: I point my gun at Yahahata, he tackles me, drags me two tiles, and Katsumi uses a fire axe to remove my head. Yesterday's logs are enough evidence for this. Both were revolutionaries.
Personally, I believe that an overall antag ban is the minimum punishment for Spessen5221, as they show no regard for roleplay as an antagonist.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 24, 2015 21:50:43 GMT
Well doom, I can see why you're upset, but if you're arresting a fellow revolutionary, or shooting a fellow cultist to death, it'd be perfectly fine RP to kill you. The revolutionary, I overreacted, yes, but the cultist was justified.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 24, 2015 21:52:50 GMT
And Creepsie, I said "Let's just kill everyone." because it was already confirmed that we couldn't complete our objective (To summon Nar'Sie), and if the admins decide to check the logs, they can prove that to you.
So if I was powergaming, explain why I would "kill everyone" if my objective was to convert them.
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Post by Doom12384 on Aug 24, 2015 21:57:27 GMT
shooting a fellow cultist to death... but the cultist was justified. Detectives only have rubber rounds. Non-lethals.
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Post by Doom12384 on Aug 24, 2015 21:58:47 GMT
And Creepsie, I said "Let's just kill everyone." because it was already confirmed that we couldn't complete our objective Since when is "We can't complete our objective." a valid reason to kill everyone?
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Post by DrBrock on Aug 24, 2015 22:41:50 GMT
I can't speak to the cult round, but I'll agree with the consensus on the RP-rev one. There's an RP there for a reason, from what I could see, there was no attempt to RP out conversions beforehand.
We held a trial for Katsumi, and as CE I was propositioned for the revolution from across the room without so much as a word being spoken 5 times. I also have reason to believe she propositioned other people in a similar manner in the court who accepted the offer, but I cannot confirm this. She kind of just murderboned that round as far as I can tell, after escaping from the trial she went around with other revs and took on a "convert or die" mentality, which would be fine with heads of staff, but I'm not so sure it was appropriate for random crew members wandering the halls.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 24, 2015 22:43:57 GMT
shooting a fellow cultist to death... but the cultist was justified. Detectives only have rubber rounds. Non-lethals. Well, as a character nor OOC did I know that, and had no way of knowing that. If my character saw someone busting a cap in my friend's ass, I'd freak out on him.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 24, 2015 22:45:27 GMT
And Creepsie, I said "Let's just kill everyone." because it was already confirmed that we couldn't complete our objective Since when is "We can't complete our objective." a valid reason to kill everyone? If we can't summon Nar'Sie then there's no point in converting anyone, so everyone else would just get in our way.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 24, 2015 22:47:39 GMT
I could settle on maybe a 2 month antag ban or some shit, but I don't think a permanent antag ban nor a player ban would be fair.
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catshadow
Clean Shaven
Posts: 193
Byond Username: Catshadow
Job: Chief Engineer
Antagonist: Crewmember
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Post by catshadow on Aug 24, 2015 23:16:48 GMT
Since when is "We can't complete our objective." a valid reason to kill everyone? If we can't summon Nar'Sie then there's no point in converting anyone, so everyone else would just get in our way. As a cultist your goal is to convert everyone and try not to kill unless necessary, unless the entire crew is actively hunting you down with kill intent there's no reason to murder.
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cebutris
Cebutris
Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace
Posts: 221
Job: Chef
Antagonist: Ninja
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Post by cebutris on Aug 25, 2015 0:04:18 GMT
Just a few minutes ago, he opened the airlocks of a shuttle in transit as a non-antag maintenence drone. When questioned, he straight up lied and said he didn't do it
Proof he did it: fingerprintshidden = "[00:57:05] Real name: maintenance drone (804), Key: Spessen5221"
Response when questioned: Spessen5221/(maintenance drone (804))(?): I didn't, I just saw Anjasha get sucked out
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Post by Doom12384 on Aug 25, 2015 0:31:26 GMT
Detectives only have rubber rounds. Non-lethals. Well, as a character nor OOC did I know that, and had no way of knowing that. Either way, attempting to kill someone because they are pointing a gun at someone doesn't make much sense. First of all, if your character did not know that they were non-lethals, they would be afraid of getting shot. Also, you made no attempt at reasoning. You went straight from, "Wow." to stabbing Sirius in the face.
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Post by Girdo on Aug 25, 2015 0:56:32 GMT
Just a few minutes ago, he opened the airlocks of a shuttle in transit as a non-antag maintenence drone. When questioned, he straight up lied and said he didn't do it Proof he did it: fingerprintshidden = "[00:57:05] Real name: maintenance drone (804), Key: Spessen5221"Response when questioned: Spessen5221/(maintenance drone (804))(?): I didn't, I just saw Anjasha get sucked outThis... changes things. I've purposely abstained from this, as there may have been valid RP reasons for the rev/cult actions that were never explained. For example, in the Cult scenario, a fellow cultist was going to be arrested by Security. Though the action seems extreme, going on the offensive could have been a tactic to keep cultists out of jail. RP-Rev... Harder to defend. Lolconverting without conversation is badRP. Decapitating a detective without RP... Serious no-no. Had it been a Head of Staff, maybe I'd have understood, but killing a non-target simply because they did their job is bad.
The above details why I've abstained until now, The maint drone grief just pushed me off the fence. That's definitely solid evidence that the door was opened deliberately (one does not simply click door, click unbolt, and click open), and he lied about it to a staff member. I'd advise an antag ban at minimum, strict jobban at maximum. tl;dr I try to be understanding and optimistic and find rational reasoning for seemingly "griefy" actions, but even I can't condone this behavior.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 25, 2015 3:25:45 GMT
Well seeing your mentality, you wouldn't take this seriously in any way, in my eyes. The time I told you this existed you went from what I remember ''meh I don't care'', or something along said lines. My guess is that you would just never join for two months and then come back and repeat the same process, or play while doing questionable acts in a grey area. Either way, I would personally prefer you to just actually RP, rather than just be there for antag rounds and nothing else. And even at that I still have a dodgy feeling about you... I see where you're coming from, but I play on Soap Station all day whenever I can, and I met friends on there that specifically play on Soap, you know what, make my antag ban permanent, I don't care about it anyways, as long as I get to play on Soap Station, I'll be happy.
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Post by spessen5221 on Aug 25, 2015 3:27:26 GMT
Well, as a character nor OOC did I know that, and had no way of knowing that. Either way, attempting to kill someone because they are pointing a gun at someone doesn't make much sense. First of all, if your character did not know that they were non-lethals, they would be afraid of getting shot. Also, you made no attempt at reasoning. You went straight from, "Wow." to stabbing Sirius in the face. Not my fault he started shooting out of no where. Kind of hypocritical, but I can understand.
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